Dilaudid was ok (if injected), but the coming down takes no time at all. . Your email address will not be published. Further, some drugs are activated by breaking down, whereas some are inactivated by breaking down, and some are make more removeable (e.g. Note that ethnic differences exist in CYP2D6 activity. In other words, 1 in 8-10 people have little or no use of codeine. This means that each person has small differences in the genes that code for enzymes. For several reasons, CYP2D6 is especially troublesome for scientists working with discovering new drugs. Mayo Clinic is a nonprofit organization and proceeds from Web advertising help support our mission. Are you sure your current pain is nociceptive (traditional), and not neuropathic? The right drug at the right dose at the right time. Limitations of Use: CYP2D6 ultra-rapid metabolizers may not achieve adequate concentrations of CERDELGA to achieve a therapeutic effect. My sleep medicine doctor wants to put me on Methadone. My BP runs in the 120/80 area and that is without and high blood pressure medication. HI, © 1998-2021 Mayo Foundation for Medical Education and Research (MFMER). Ultra-rapid metabolizer : Paroxetine . He’s taken Benadryl before and I thought I noticed him being a little hyper. Routine testing for codeine and CYP2D6 is usually not done. I pressed for a dose of morphine and nothing happened. Taking an extended release form of the drug helps some, but not a lot. One of the most classic CYP2D6 substrates is codeine, an opiate used in managing mild to moderate pain. I refused further doses but the following 8 hours were awful, I never ever felt so sick in my life. SO, long story short, I do not achieve the relief that a normal netabolizer by this gene would. 12x10mg tabs with no effect. It wasn’t until he spoke with my doctor that I finally got relief. This is what provides the euphoria and pain relief. Patients who have a CYP2D6 variant that metabolizes tramadol quickly may experience side effects such as nausea, vomiting, constipation, difficulty urinating, drowsiness, decreased mental alertness, and a reduced urge to breathe. Thinking I may be a high metabolizer but not sure. So Fazit: Morphine can have some pain-reliefing effects when highly dosed, but for me it is only a very poor solution. I was just lying as still as possible, breathing very low, and even the slightest movement of the head or someone bumping against the bed triggered a stormy ride an a rolling ship, I even reacted on lights going on and sudden noise. Julie, I believe you need to ask to have your chromosomes tested. Routine testing for tramadol and CYP2D6 is usually not done. Valid for Submission. Having learned my lesson with Dextrometorphan (Bexin) and every cough-remedy containing codein I avoided this stuff for all my adult life until about 10 years ago I got an attending pharmacist who for ONCE listened carefully and could explain the different metabolism-types to me. Needless to say, walking into an ED and saying, “HI! May I ask whom you found? I got my test done at the psychiatrist; who wanted to know what effect I would get by mixing the drugs that pain management were giving me with an increased antidepressant. CYP2D6 is primarily expressed in the liver. I’m sad to say, I prefer the morphine. UMs of CYP2D6 carry more than two copies of functional alleles. CYP2D6 converts codeine, tramadol, oxycodone, and hydrocodone to their active metabolites. I’ve tried googling that, but no answers. Both you and the doc get copies of the report. Turns out Talwin, which is a very old school drug actually works at a half dose. I am trying to quit, but it is about the only thing I can do when I get anxious from the pain. So not a real option then… I had then some morphine in regular intervals with no effect at all, but as the night went on the pain really got too strong and finally I gave in as a nurse explained to me, that with some people they had to reach a certain level until it started to work. Ultra-rapid metabolizers (UM) carry multiple copies of functional alleles leading to excess activity. These have included some serious effects such as palpitations and extreme nosebleeds (from citalopram) and a hysterical cry-laugh-cry state from amitriptyline which felt like I had just drunk 50 coffees. I remember it all. Dextromomethorphan (DM in cough suppressants) causes me to vomit like a person who just drank while on antabuse. My new psychiatrist wants to do genotype testing. In the interest of full disclosure, I also take methylphenidate (ritalin) (*SUPER* small doses) morning and afternoon for chemo brain/menopause/undiagnosed-ADD, and clonazapam (sp?) Ive been on exsira a low dose first time ive ever been on a low dose of anything and its working well. I can take it and it helps allergies but doesn’t knock me out. However Benadryl has no ill effects on me. “Hi. Even tho it shows my dr I don’t metabolize opiates they still keep me on the norco and I eat them like candy. Psychiatrists and Pain Management specialists have access to a cheek swab test. QUICKTEXT: Codeine CYP2D6 ULTRARAPID METABOLIZER . In addition, this enzyme also metabolizes dopamine and serotonin. this comes up with the last 4 pain mgmt not having a clue why my opiate levels were near nil and this shows their stupidity. If an activity score (e.g. I don’t understand why codeine and hydrocodone make me sick when morphine did absolutely nothing…it might as well have been water! I have been labeled a “liar,” “malingerer” – although I don’t know how anyone who has just had their ulnar shortened and had the block wear off in four hours could be said to be malingering – a “drug-seeker,” and several other impolite names by physicians in various emergency departments. are hesitant to prescribe a higher level of a drug just because you are a ultra-rapid metabolizer. Worse, the only route(s) by which I can get any opioid relief, say, from acute post-surgical pain, is by IM injection or IV infusion. I also metabolize anesthesia at the dentist, requiring several injections (for a root canal) and usually reaching the “max” dose. Although testing is incressing, I am shocked at the lack of medical professionals who are chosing not to educate themselves about the different reactions caused by genotypes which would make them more comprehensive as a person who supposedly went into a profession to help people. 2).In 15–20% of these UMs gene duplication with up to 13 gene copies involving *1, *2, and *4 alleles have been identified as the molecular mechanism. Hehe. Thank god that only lasted for about 20 minutes, then I felt as before, took some Mefenamic acid (Ponstan) which brought the searched for pain-relief. They will likely not respond to some opioids. They gave me 3 morphine IR/day, which worked better. The oxy-anythings have me bouncing off the walls, can’t stand that. I had the genetic testing done and my family dr mov e me up to 3 30mg a day which I’ve been in before and it doesn’t last me. CYP2D6 ultra-rapid metabolizer (UMs) are associated with decreased antiemetic effect (i.e. Full stop. None of my Doctors understand or want to even try…. She wanted to burn nerves, I said NO! Still in pain. Michael Jackson pink elephant took dxm recreationally and at 150mg had signs of slight CYP2D6 deficiency as motor control was impacted strongly but head clear but almost on verge of second plateau at a higher range of the 1st plateu dose by weight. In contrast, various genotypes of the CYP2D6 subfamily of cytochrome P-450 enzymes correlate with phenotypic subgroups with differing rates of drug metabolism. of course it was! They are specialists in Pain Management. G 4 30mg a day and any suggestions on what to do to get a dr to prescribe those besides the proof from the test. It’s frustrating and scary because I NEED that dosage to totally control my depression. Also, you might have combination of other enzyme deficiencies like I do. My swab was conclusive that I am a CYP2D6*2xN (UM-Ultrarapidmetabolizer). so when medication does work often the side-effects are reversed, so things like Morphine give me a mild high where most of you get sleepy I develop Insomnia. Previously I had to go out of state and I will again to get the right care. From what I read about phase 2 meds….is it possible I have trouble with morphine? They tried IV Paracetamol in a drip which had no effect at all, and then resorted to Codeine which worked (of course) until my BP and RR fell and I began to feel very sick. The latter is the standard dose used to treat for instance toothache, migraine and other half-decent pain conditions. This does suck by the way. Estimates suggest that up to 10% of the Caucasian population may be poor metabolisers and up to 10% may be ultra-rapid metabolisers 1 . If it’s not, you can pay out of pocket. The CPIC guideline recommends alternative drug that is not predominantly metabolized by CYP2D6, for the CYP2D6 UMs. Codeine causes nausea and hydrocodone makes me feel like Mike Tyson hit me in the gut, so a doctor told me to list them under allergies on medical forms. 8:582. . It is used primarily in children with ADD/ADHD, who are typically started at a low dose, then that dose is increased in increments until an effective dose is found for the child. Tramadol is a medication used for moderate or moderately severe pain relief, including pain following surgery. Me, I’ve got some pinched nerves and some pain that is a result of more than 10 surgeries. (The CYP2D6 wasn’t my only anomaly, I have several others) Would it be more beneficial for me to remaine on the codeine or ask for tramadol? Have you ever heard of someone getti I haven’t had my genes mapped, so I cannot be entiery sure, but still I feel fairly certain. 3 hours of relief, then suddenly the pain is back full-force. In other words, a certain drug that is primarily eliminated by CYP26D may have a half-life of say 4 hours in one patient, but 0.5 hours in the other, at the same dose and route of administration. i have not found ONE drug that works yet also usually URM dont get any relief bc its out of your system before you can feel anything, so maybe the OP is a poor metabolizer which puts more of the meds in your system for a od. Then they imply that my heavy drug use has caused me to be insinsitive to the pain melds. However, pain relief may be inadequate in individuals who carry two inactive copies of CYP2D6(“poor metabolizers”), because of reduced morphine levels. I poured 10 pills of 100 mg Tramadol retard/similar to Oxy, a synthetic morphine (the strong, long lasting ones)into my hand and swallowed them before he could react… He of course hit the alarm button but over here in Sweden at least, they are not allowed to treat you if you are conscious and refuse treatment. Consider alternative analgesics such as morphine or a non- opiod. She has a dental procedure coming up, so I need some advice. After trying SSRI’s and having a bad reaction to tamoxifen that was related to switching SSRI’s and, and.. anyway, I fell into the hands of a psychiatrist who did the cheek swab on me, and we discovered this. CYP2D6. I sat in my doctors office and just told him ok, now WATCH CLOSELY…. The pharmaceutical industry hates these things. I’m tired of ER DOCS calibre me a seeker! I ever woke up halfway through surgery once. Actually you sound more like a poor metabolizer in some circumstances, however not all of the scenarios you have described would fit that either. Talk with your health care provider about choosing a medication that may be a better option for you. somnolence and respiratory depression). Will Lidocaine (and similar local numbing agents) work on her? The wide variety of 2D6 mutations and heterogeneity in their substrate binding and instance and severity in the population make this a more difficult issue to deal with – a simple test wouldn’t necessarily tell you much. But the result is, as you know, morphine – an opiate 5-10 times stronger than codeine itself. He also mentioned to me to be careful with other opioids, but as I never needed strong painkillers I probably forgot about that and also made no further research on the issue. I would even go so far as to say peroral codeine is stronger than intravenous morphine. My dentist called me an alien when neither freezing, nor “conscious sedation” had any effect whatsoever at the legal limit. It belongs to one of the major group of liver enzymes that metabolize drugs (and other crap) that float around your system. This is so wierd. This “cocktail” has worked wonders for me. I seem to be a poor metabolizer and possibly rapid metabolizer in several areas. I can’t find a doctor now that mine retired. If not look in to connective tissues disorders such as Marfan’s or Ehlers-Danlos. These Doctors need to do more research on this!!!!! In me. It’s unfair that we have to live with pain beside of pressure on doctors to not write for us. Interesting. use due to potential for toxicity. Then had a false screen for cocaine (I’m on 4 different BP meds, I’m not about to use it at my age! We select 1-2 % go under the name ultrarapid CYP2D6 metabolizers. Your email address will not be published. More information about tramadol you might find helpful includes: These resources may help you understand more about individualized medicine, genomics and drug-gene testing (pharmacogenomics): If you have questions about your test results, ask to speak with your health care provider at your Mayo Clinic care location: Any use of this site constitutes your agreement to the Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy linked below. While I suffer the Doc then just tries different things to no purpose. In trying to protect you from codeine, the evil intruder, your liver decides to chop the molecule in pieces. […]. When I was a child I had some crazy hallucinations after taking Vicks44DM. Add to that, I have life-long PTSD and same goes for those medications. I couldn’t take any pain killers for them and do any work. Drugs we recommend to avoid: Codeine. So yes I would think RH factor might play a role? Bad news I’m also bipolar, & can’t take the regular meds (had NMS & Strvens-Johnson syndrome), so take Neurontin (not metabolized in the liver), Trileptal, Buspar, Primidone (also have CVS, Cyclical Vomiting Syndrome, which is treated with Primidone, a combo of 2 barbiturates). So, did I get high or affected in any way or form from the handful of pills I took, that SHOULD have knocked an elephant out… Nope, didn’t phase me at all, which was the point I was aiming to prove and yes, I even drove my car home after the doctors appointment… One good thing more that came out of this whole ordeal, I know have a doctor that is highly motivated in LEARNING more about the various mutations on the CYP2D6 gene…. All this makes for a mixed picture. Other common symptoms of URM that I’ve learned: benedryl causes hallucinations, so do almost all old antihistamines. F. von Hieseritzky. I’d much prefer the pain in the A#$ injection than what I have to deal with from pain in the A$# emergency department physicians! I’ve never taken it again. So, if for no other reason, I want my son to be able to get the help he needs and not have to cope with both pain and anxiety the same as I do everyday! Avoid codeine. I have painful pleurisy – will last 4 weeks they tell me at urgent care….and no one to treat me… I’ve fired or been fired by more doctors than I care to recall, Its horrible as we all know, to be treated always like an addict when we can’t even get addicted. Glad to see this. Actually after about the 8th or 9th dose I started to feel a certain damping effect on the pain. I say this as a 2D6 ultra-rapid metabolizer who has been researching how this affects me. so the rest of us that aren’t seeking them for their reasons (just to get high)We are in serious cronic pain, as for my self I have a pain pump in my back and had taking just about all you can take for pain that would killll a normal person. I need 2 mg of dilaudid (standard adult dose)and 4 mg of Zofran” doesn’t usually go over very well!!. I had a gallbladder attack and the ER doctor gave me the recommended dose of painkiller. I have blood work done and everything is in the normal range. My name is Fredrik, and I am an ultrarapid CYP2D6 metabolizer.”. banned in many countries… Morocco/ basque have the most RH negs. are you a redhead? Tried fentanyl patches, no help at all. About 2 in 100 people are ultra-rapid metabolizers. The m.d. My 3 year old was bouncing off the walls last night after a normal dose of Benadryl. Nerve damage is not unheard of after major surgery. They had me on 8 a day until they put me on zohydro bumped me down to 4 a day which isn’t working. She offered me to use Morphine instead, no effect again, but also no side-effects… An hour later the pain still increasing I called for her again and she offered to block the affected nerves as a final solution, but that this was quite unusual and not good for the recovery of the tissue. Hi. So I’m thinking I don’t matabolize it. Each person differs from another at the DNA (gene) level. As like previous writers have written, doctors just blow you off and think you’re a drug-addict looking for a fix… GODS!! They have no clue about the differences of metabolic issues which can cause patients to respond to IV/IM medications and NOT respond to oral administration. No wonder people like us get so depressed. I hope you have found help! Another question – Benadryl doesn’t make me sleepy, but when it wears off I start yawning like crazy. At least I know what I’m going to face next time (and unfortunately there will be a next time…) and maybe this new information also helps an able anaesthesiologist to determine the optimal therapy…. 5. Still all was well, until I got back to my room, and the operation surgeon warned me on his visit not to take the pain easily and ask immediately for some more painkillers if it started to rise, as otherwise it could endanger the healing process. Please don’t over simplify it, as you may actually confuse people reading this, who have problems they are trying to understand. The hepatic CYP2D6 enzyme metabolizes a quarter of all prescribed drugs, including codeine. Follow your health care provider's instructions when taking any medication. I did get a Doctor that has a wife with the same kind of issues and he worked with me. Hence, these poor souls risk suffering more pain in life than necessary. The first time at 12 with my first surgery, tonsilectomy. The reason you feel Dilaudid is because of its iv/IM route and lack of tolerance to this drug. I also know what 60 milligrams of codeine feels like. I have cypd26 genotype. It would have been nice to have these test results to stick in the A** H*** nurses face after I woke up the morning after a serious car accident from which I had a compound fracture repaired the night before. But Michael Jacksons pink elephant also takes codeine and as far as she is aware her reponse to codeine is about normal and it does relieve pain at the stated doses, not exactly indicative. Your body has an increased ability to process (metabolizes) tramadol to the more active form, which may result in side effects. However, I just wanted to voice on here that us under and over metabolizers are essentially in the same boat, because medicine still only caters for the average. You know the stuff; suppressed breathing, extreme nausea, cold sweat and to make things worse: no pain relief at all. the frequencies of Ultra-rapid Metabolizers and Poor Metabolizers for CYP2D6 varied widely across the mestizo, Amerindian and Afro-Caribbean Costa Rican populations. So yeah, I am pretty sure my liver is unusually loaded with CYP2D6, and that it is damn active too. However, those kids that are “slow metabolizers”, which is a substantial percentage of at least the Caucasian population, are at risk of developing severe (usually cardiovascular) side effects. Therefore, a patient who is an ultrarapid metabolizer of CYP2D6 will have an increased risk of side effects and toxicity (i.e. I used an entire Ibu when I sprained my ankle, one, one time, and I’m not one who likes to suffer it out. Lots of older antidepressants (prozac, paxil, effexor, and others) cause withdrawl daily. So yes i get the stupid dentists thing. As expected that was no good, the first few doses had no effect as a painkiller, but I got nice waves of sickness… Then I called for the anaesthesiologist which was of course not the same I talked the whole matter through. I guess Happy to find this info. If you can get tested for rh I do understand it can be very enlightening and helpful! Codeine in all it’s forms need to go through the CYP2D6 or CYP2D7 enzymes to be turned into morphine (and other junk) and work. Your symptoms do not sound like any Ultrarapid Metabolizer symptoms I have ever heard of. Such combination medications are available in almost every country in the world. Also on the 4 BP meds, plus diazepam & triazolam. I really don’t want her to have a painful/traumatic experience. Talk to your doctor about starting or switching to Cerdelga. Find one of those, someone who listens. It is awful and so much pain from the botched cancer surgery, and to make it worse missing that chromosome makes your risk of cancer drastically higher. Make me want to crawl out of my skin. I’ve been searching the internet around the subject of migraines and I go into respiratory depression if I’m given opiates such as Tramadol, Morphine, Fentanyl and Codeine, and the former two make me extremely physically sick and give me headaches unlike any cluster I have ever had. Ultra-rapid metabolizers have CYP2D6 gene duplication in the absence of any inactive alleles. If you really believe your problems are a result of what you have stated, you need to have testing to prove your theory. I am currently on morphine sulfate as my pain mgmt was smart enough to notice on my drug screen it appeared that I was not taking my oxycontin. If you have medication questions, ask your health care provider. I’m an ultrametabolizer (was just officially tested this week). I’ve seen it take a good 2-3 weeks for the side effects to dissipate. If you show evidence of metabolizing CYp2d6 in an unusual way, the best bet is to get genetic testing. Talk to your health care provider or pharmacist about the results. CYP2D6: Ultra-Rapid Metabolizer #209. Our data support that the CYP2D6*4 polymorphism but not CYP2D6 phenotypes might be associated with increased Alzheimer's disease risk, particularly in Caucasian populations. I am missing the cyp2d6 chromosome also and i had cancer in my uterus, ovaries, lymph nodes was suppose to be 1 surgery, asshole surgeon cut my ureters off ,cut nerves and 12 repair surgeries and im in bad pain and I am on minimal pain meds and always still in pain. CYP2D6 genotypes predicting ultrarapid metabolism resulted in about 50% higher plasma concentrations of morphine and its glucuronides compared with the EM. My PCP told my yesterday to find a different pain clinic, but with more & more shutting down, or becoming franchises (so if you’re discharged from 1, you can’t get into another in the same chain, they won’t see you). Today my daughter who is now 11yrs old was in the ER….and even through I told the staff about the 2D6…they stillgave her a medicine that is NOT allowed for her condition. Ask your doctor for a written certificate, unless you haven’t already. Interesting site and as I had a glimpse here a few months ago when preparing for some surgery I think it could be interesting if I post me recent experience. It is very complex. After hours in the children ER, a spinal tap, and gene testing…..we found out of the 2D6 RM. have the same issue, I’ve had genesight testing and am an ultra rapid metabolizer, but I knew already, waking up in middle of surgeries, codeine, fentanyl, etc lasting a third of the regular time, coffee has no effect… get tested, your Dr can do it, as for dental, laughing gas on high, started at least ten min beforehand… local anaesthetic with stopping once or twice for more works for me. I then told him that I was afraid of the use of opioides and he answered, that there was still the Metamizole – then he saw the infusion, frowned and told me: that, as this has been the maximally allowed dose, there was not much to chose from now on. After years of passing out or having breathing probs after getting numbing agents or gas at dentist’s, I found a dentist who believed me when I said I was super sensitive. Thanks for any help. Some GPs have accused me of making it up. CYP2D6 is responsible for the metabolism and elimination of approximately 25% of clinically used drugs. The clue is in the name, if you metabolise something you are breaking it down. This is why you get no pain relief. My dad was deficient, he had similar suffering. […] Life as an ultrarapid CYP2D6 metabolizer. They swabed the inside of my cheek. The clinical history of these persons is quite typical and I share this information to help practitioners identify pain patients who may have a genetic defect of CYP-2D6. Right now I’m on 120mg of morphine 3x and 120mg of roxycodone every 4. Codeine may cause serious side effects (respiratory depression, confusion, lethargy) in these patients. You might want to consider having your genes mapped. There are two possibilities with this test result. Lower/undetectable plasma concentrations may increase probability of pharmacotherapy failure Select alternative drug not predominantly metabolized by CYP2D6 : Strong . For reasons I will not go into, I have been prescribed both codeine and morphine, separately, at several occasions. Right! I’m a UM. My dentist gave me 1 numbing shot, it took 3 all in all to work. I finally found that Topamax took my Migraines down 3 or 4 a year from as often as every day at 3:05 pm. This section provides information only about this specific pharmacogenomic test. Perhaps your daughter would benefit by that, it’s a good life-long tool. Modern medicine has no ideas, and I’ve been a lab rat for too long. My mother later was also tested and treated for her cancer focussed for her genetics. I think you need to be careful giving advise about 2D6, my daughters was diagnosed at 4yrs old. Hahaha. Had the test also. P450 enzyme CYP2D6 is of importance in medicinal chemistry, pharmacology and medicine. Once the concentration of parent drug saturates the capacity of the 2D6 enzyme to remove it, the drug concentration continues to build up rapidly over time. Then when he finally fell asleep, he was very restless, twitchy, and saying a bunch of weird stuff if I woke him up to check on him. It might help your Dr’s. So, all I’m on (pain-wise) is codeine & Excedrin (I add Primidone, as that’s the combo in fioricet/codeine). I hope your daughter is as lucky as I eventually was and finds what she needs! I was a pain patient in Pittsburgh for 22 years and was on 390mg of methadone after taking blood tests to prove that I could metabolize 200 in under 4 hours. It was then that I remembered that talk with the pharmacist but again saw no reason to react until recently I was facing some surgery and thought it necessary to adress my suspicions of being an ultra-rapid metabolizer to the anaesthesiologist. It never made him sleepy. As all of us know, most CYP2D6 people take very few drugs because they simply do not work. I told him when we first started my treatment that I had a super high tolerance to all pain killers, alcohol, Novocain… At the time I did not know why, I just knew I did. Funnily enough, I have substantial reason to believe that I am a extremely poor metablizer. It is quite rare, and must be horrible, to be “immune” to all kinds of pain medication. The result is ultimately the same; I can’t have medication. In this case, I take their side. I am a ultra rapid metabolizer and my dr and I have been trying to get my dosage right on my adderall. I am on morphine and swear I do not feel it whether they increase my dose or turn it down – same pain level just the same. Can anyone share where I can find an MD who is even vaguely familiar with this or thinks outside the box enough to manage this? "Mayo," "Mayo Clinic," "MayoClinic.org," "Mayo Clinic Healthy Living," and the triple-shield Mayo Clinic logo are trademarks of Mayo Foundation for Medical Education and Research. I had a DNA ran under my Doctors order not mine. I need to find a psychiatrist who will do 4 a day so I csn run my business and work and take care of just everyday task. Long story short: When you ingest codeine and it enters your blood stream, the first thing your liver tries to do is breaking it down via so called first-passage metabolism (if taken orally). I have had drug screens in the past come back negative for oxycodone which was puzzling to me. So, it is far more complex than the need for more painkiller or painkillers don’t work. I’ve been in touch with siblings who also confirm that about a quarter dose is plenty. You have to wait the full 4-6 hours until you take it again, or it won’t work. Omg! CYP2D6 converts codeine in to its active metabolite, morphine, which provides its analgesic effect. Frankly, ED physicians haven’t done their homework with regard to individual patient response to opioid treatment needed for acute pain experiences. Dang. But I do. Devin, have you gotten any relief from your depression through medication since this post? 4 There are four basic types of metabolizers. Michael Jacksons pink elephant took dxm recreationally and at 150mg had signs of slight CYP2D6 deficiency as motor control was impacted strongly but head clear but almost on verge of second plateau at a higher range of the 1st plateu dose by weight. Even the dentists have called me a lier, saying there is “no way” you still feel that… Honestly, why would I lie to the dentist? If we are all ultra rapid metabolizer, we should join together and protestor our cause. GENOTYPE: #/# INTERPRETATION ULTRARAPID METABOLIZER . The codes listed on Madilyn’s card describe enzymes in the so-called cytochrome P450 (CYP450) superfamily of enzymes, which play a crucial role in the body’s ability to process medications. We have been completely unsuccessful in getting her relief from her depression. 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